Why does everyone keep saying the Challenger Demon isn't AWD?

"citizennick" (citizennick) 01/26/2017 at 14:26 • Filed to: None

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All signs point to it being AWD. So it lost 200 lbs? Woohoo, easier to do than you think for a car that weighs 4500 and still add that front diff.

Jalopnik stories and comments are constantly puking out the “why would you put drag radials on the front of a RWD car?” argument.

bob and john > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:28

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ppl are saying that because dodge didnt offer AWD in the V8 as then didnt have anything that was strong and small enough to be fit into it and still take the power.

I’m thinking they are there simply so you can rotate tires when you burn out the rears first.

OPPOsaurus WRX > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:29

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i think someone pointed out that a Camaro comes with 315's in all 4 corners and those are pretty big

Blondude > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:29

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http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-be-lighter-than-a-h-1791372024

citizennick > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/26/2017 at 14:30

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Right but those weren’t drag radials.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:31

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I’ve gotta ask. What do you make of the numbers on the plate? The best idea I saw was pretty far down in the comments, it was that it means 2,576lb/ft at the wheels @35 wheel rpm. Same commenter said the Hellcat made 4,XXX at the same RPM. So that’d also point AWD.

citizennick > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 01/26/2017 at 14:32

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Yeah that plate is pretty cryptic, beats me.

My bird IS the word > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:34

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Because dodge specifically said with their challenger GT concept that they are unable to fit both a hemi and their awd system in the challenger body, even though its based off the charger. I would totally save and buy an AWD 392 with a stick if they build one.

citizennick > My bird IS the word 01/26/2017 at 14:37

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Maybe they’re playing us. The Demon hood does sit up pretty high after all.

Milky > Blondude 01/26/2017 at 14:37

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Yea, I’d say a burnout is pretty good evidence.

yamahog > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 01/26/2017 at 14:39

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It’s the load rating for the tires at 35psi.

yamahog > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:41

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Because those of us who worked/work at FCA know they can’t, and there’s no way studio would’ve let it out the door with skinny fronts.  

RutRut > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 01/26/2017 at 14:42

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There has been a bunch of talk that it is blower displacement @ manifold absolute pressure.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > yamahog 01/26/2017 at 14:44

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That’s enough, x2, to fully support the Demon on its rear tires under a launch dynamic load. Probably. This explanation checks out.

citizennick > yamahog 01/26/2017 at 14:44

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Makes a bit of sense. Also probably don’t want to sell a car with mismatching tires.

McMike > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:47

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If they do make this thing AWD, the transfer case will only send the power out the front if the car is in some super secret valet mode.

Key color tba

My bird IS the word > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:51

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TBH they should have done this years ago. I get the whole RWD thing, but I live in the hills of pennsylvania and just a set of snow tires doesn’t cut the mustard around here. I do plan on my next car purchase to be a v6 gt.

Sergio is crazy, but I can’t honestly think why they would lie. It would be a huge mic drop to ford and chevy.

AfromanGTO > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 14:54

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Could this be a V10 car? Carbon parts would lighten it up a bit.

Or a Z28/GT500 track day slayer?

RutRut > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 01/26/2017 at 15:10

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So I just posted this on the FP but:

Wheel torque at 350 km/h? With M6 gears that would be 217 mph in 6th, with a 3.70 rear yielding 5990 RPM. Doing some really rough calculations back that is 962 ft/lbs. It’s a lot of torque but it is a theory.It calculates way too high of a horsepower under basic calculations though, so gearing could be a factor or I am totally wrong.

Mach-inator > My bird IS the word 01/26/2017 at 15:23

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On a side note: What if Chevy held back on revealing the Corvette ZR1 at Detroit when they got wind of the Demon and decided to delay the reveal so they could take some of SRT’s thunder?

My bird IS the word > Mach-inator 01/26/2017 at 15:27

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While that certainly makes sense, and I would do it if I worked for chevy, it’s kinda impossible. What chevy is doing with handling on the camaro is certainly impressive, but they aren’t advertising to you and me, they are advertising to the average joe. Joe sees dodge’s bitchin ads and a 700 hp car and he kinda tunes out after that.

citrus > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 15:36

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Most performance cars have staggered fitment tires, so mismatch isn’t really an issue

Takuro Spirit > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 15:49

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Me, watching everyone bicker about the specs until the thing is finally revealed:

citizennick > AfromanGTO 01/26/2017 at 15:55

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That’s a possibility since there’s no more Viper.

I wish it would be a track day sleeper but still too heavy and awkward tire choice.

citizennick > citrus 01/26/2017 at 15:57

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I meant mismatch as specific tires, not the sizes.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > RutRut 01/26/2017 at 16:43

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No it was wheel torque at 35 rpm at the wheels (both rpm and torque) I’m guessing wheel rpm and torque is used more often in drag racing than in normal car talk.

AfromanGTO > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 16:46

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Maybe the tire choice was beneficial in road course or autocross testing?

RutRut > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 01/26/2017 at 16:53

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35 RPM at the wheels (assuming current Hellcat ratios) is less than 3 mph@293RPM crank. I think it could be pounds of thrust which is more commonly used to determine acceleration at 350 km/h, the most realistic answer is blower displacement and manifold absolute pressure though.

Boosted2k - I Make Videos and Put Them on YouTube > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 16:59

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AWD burnout marks as others have noticed

RutRut > RutRut 01/26/2017 at 17:03

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Actually, if you convert 2576 from N-m to lb-ft it yields 1899. Running the numbers for a manual would yield 217mph@6087 RPM with 785hp/679 lb-ft.

citrus > citizennick 01/26/2017 at 17:17

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Oh ok yeah that makes more sense lol